Rome and Islam
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In Daniel Two, the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar dreamt of a statue that was set up on the earth. Daniel relates the dream to the king.
Daniel 2:31-36
31 "You, O king, were watching; and behold, a great image! This great image, whose splendor was excellent, stood before you; and its form was awesome.
32 This image's head was of fine gold, its chest and arms of silver, its belly and thighs of bronze,
33 its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay.
34 You watched while a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.
35 Then the iron, the clay, the bronze, the silver, and the gold were crushed together, and became like chaff from the summer threshing floors; the wind carried them away so that no trace of them was found. And the stone that struck the image became a great mountain and filled the whole earth.”
Next Daniel interprets the dream for him, explaining that the statue is symbolic of five empires that would succeed each other, of which King Nebuchadnezzar’s empire was the first (i.e., the head of gold).
Daniel 2:37-45
37 You, O king, are a king of kings. For the Elohim of heaven has given you a kingdom, power, strength, and glory;
38 and wherever the children of men dwell, or the beasts of the field and the birds of the heaven, He has given them into your hand, and has made you ruler over them all — you are this head of gold.
40 And the fourth kingdom shall be as strong as iron, inasmuch as iron breaks in pieces and shatters everything; and like iron that crushes, that kingdom will break in pieces and crush all the others.
41 Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of potter's clay and partly of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; yet the strength of the iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay.
42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.
43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.
44 And in the days of these kings the Elohim of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever.
45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold — the great Elohim has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure."
The empires are listed below. I will explain why the fifth empire is Christianity and Islam as we progress.
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Body part:
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Earthly empire:
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1. Head of gold
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Babylonian (Iraq)
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2. Chest and arms of silver
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Media-Persia (Iran)
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3. Belly and thighs of bronze
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Alexander (Greece)
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4. Legs of iron
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Roman Empire
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5. Feet of iron and clay
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Christianity and Islam
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Verse 39 (above) speaks of Alexander the Great’s Macedonian Empire, which was to rule over “all the earth.” This referred to the known civilized world at that time, with the Middle East at its center. Alexander’s empire contained not just Israel, but also the previous two empires, Babylon (Iraq) and Persia (Iran). Today, much of this land is Islamic.
The legs of iron symbolized the fourth empire, which was the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire did not extend as far eastward as Alexander’s empire had, but it nonetheless contained the Land of Israel, encircled the Mediterranean, and also extended far north up into Europe. Today, much of this land is either Roman-Catholic, or has some form of Christian heritage. In at least some way, shape or form, these lands and their respective governments pay some form of reverence towards Rome.
The first four of these five empires show up again in Daniel 7 (below), where they are called four ‘beasts.’ But why are there only four beasts, when there are five empires? As I will show, the reason the fifth empire of Daniel 2 (Christianity and Islam) does not show up as a ‘fifth beast’ in Daniel 7 is that Christianity and Islam are both spiritual extensions of the fourth beast (the Roman Empire). Verse 7 tells us that this fourth beast will ‘trample the residue’ of Alexander’s Empire (which went before it), which tells us that Alexander’s eastern empire would somehow be contained within it.
Daniel 7:2-8
2 Daniel spoke, saying, "I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea.
3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other.
4 The first (Babylonian Empire) was like a lion, and had eagle's wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man's heart was given to it.
5 "And suddenly another beast (Medo-Persian Empire), a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. And they said thus to it: 'Arise, devour much flesh!'
6 "After this I looked, and there was another (Alexander the Great’s Empire), like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads (the four generals who succeeded Alexander), and dominion was given to it.
7 "After this I saw in the night visions, and behold, a fourth beast (the Roman Empire, including Christianity and Islam as a spiritual empire), dreadful and terrible, exceedingly strong. It had huge iron teeth; it was devouring, breaking in pieces, and trampling the residue with its feet. It was different from all the beasts that were before it, and it had ten horns.
8 I was considering the horns, and there was another horn, a little one, coming up among them, before whom three of the first horns were plucked out by the roots. And there, in this horn, were eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words.
In the Nazarene Israel study I show that the ‘Little Horn’ of Daniel 7:25 (below) is the Pope (or more accurately, the Papacy). I also show how the Papacy fulfills many of the prophecies over the Anti-Messiah. [For more information see “The Papacy as anti-Messiah”, in the Nazarene Israel study.]
Daniel 7:23 (below) tells us that Rome’s empire would be different than all other previous empires. Rome’s power and influence would continue grow long after Rome had ceased occupying ground militarily. Rather, Rome would expand its control the world through the Catholic Church. Roman Catholicism continues to grow due to a variety of factors including high birth rates inside of the church, as well as active missionary throughout the world. Catholics are also very active in outreach to the homeless and the poor in all countries where they live. Their good works win them converts.
Because so many Christians do not understand that the Papacy fills the prophecies over the anti-Messiah, the Pope is widely respected in many Christian circles. Many Christians favor the Ecumenical Movement, which seeks to re-unite all Christian sects, most likely under the Pope. This option is seriously considered in many church circles; and as we will see later in this article, it is also taken seriously by the UN, and Islam.
The Pope has openly called for the New World Order to be brought to full power, and for the establishment of a one-world government. The United Religions Initiative seeks to establish just such a one-world ‘Universal’ religion loosely based on Catholicism, with the Pope as the head of the ‘Church.’ This is a perfect match for the Catholic Church, as the word ‘Catholic’ literally means ‘Universal.’
Like any empire, the Catholic empire’s influence also extends to politics. Most government leaders of those nations that used to be part of the Roman Empire (and even their colonies) continue to meet with the Pope, which is essentially to pay him some form of tribute or acknowledgement. In verses 20 and 24 we even read about ten kings that Scripture seems to indicate are even literally ‘part of’ the Roman beast.
Daniel 7:15-28
15 "I, Daniel, was grieved in my spirit within my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.
16 I came near to one of those who stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me and made known to me the interpretation of these things:
17 'Those great beasts, which are four, are four kings which arise out of the earth.
18 But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.'
19 "Then I wished to know the truth about the fourth beast, which was different from all the others, exceedingly dreadful, with its teeth of iron and its nails of bronze, which devoured, broke in pieces, and trampled the residue with its feet;
20 and the ten horns that were on its head, and the other horn which came up, before which three fell, namely, that horn which had eyes and a mouth which spoke pompous words, whose appearance was greater than his fellows.
21 "I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them,
22 until the Ancient of Days came, and a judgment was made in favor of the saints of the Most High, and the time came for the saints to possess the kingdom.
23 "Thus he said: 'The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces.
24 The ten horns are ten kings who shall arise from this kingdom, and another shall rise after them. He shall be different from the first ones, and shall subdue three kings.
25 He shall speak pompous words against the Most High, shall persecute the saints of the Most High, and shall intend to change the appointed times (Sabbath and festivals) and the Torah. Then the saints shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time (1260 years).’
That the ten kings should be ‘part of’ the Roman beast would seem to indicate that they derive their power from the beast. In practical terms this is probably done via the Jesuit Order (which is essentially the CIA/KGB ‘black ops’ arm of the Roman Catholic Church). This is also why Revelation 17:18 calls Rome “that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
Hitgalut (Revelation) 17:9-18:1
9 "Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
10 There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time.
11 The beast that was, and is not, is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and is going to perdition.
12 "The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.
13 These are of one mind, and they will give their power and authority to the beast.
14 These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Master of masters and King of kings; and those who are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful."
15 Then he said to me, "The waters which you saw, where the harlot sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which you saw on the beast, these will hate the harlot, make her desolate and naked, eat her flesh and burn her with fire.
17 For Elohim has put it into their hearts to fulfill His purpose, to be of one mind, and to give their kingdom to the beast, until the words of Elohim are fulfilled.
18 And the woman whom you saw is that great city which reigns over the kings of the earth.”
In Nebuchadnezzar’s dream, the legs of iron represent the Roman Empire. Therefore, if iron represents Rome then the feet of iron and clay must represent Rome and Islam. This may seem like a very unlikely combination, seeing as Muslims are generally hostile to Christians: however, if we will consider the idea for a moment we may see that it makes perfect sense.
In Daniel 2:42-43 we are told that the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so that the kingdom would partly be strong and partly fragile. This is a perfect description of the Christian and Islamic worlds, what with the developed Christian nations’ military strength and the incessant fighting among the Muslims (i.e., the Ishmaelites). Daniel also tells us that the iron and clay would mingle with the seed of men, but that they would not adhere to each other, just as iron does not mix with clay: yet these are still both parts of the exact same (fifth) empire.
Daniel 2:42-43
42 And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile.
43 As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.
Since Daniel Seven only mentions four beasts, and yet five empires come to pass, then logically, Islam is an extension of the Roman Empire. If we will take a look at the history we will see how this has come about.
In 325CE, the Roman Emperor Constantine held the infamous Council of Nicea, in which the practice of Judaism and all Hebraic forms of the Good News were deemed “anathema to Christ.” Five years later, in 330 CE, Emperor Constantine moved the capital of his empire to Constantinople, which is today called Istanbul. Istanbul is located in a beautiful and highly strategic location in Turkey. Sitting astride a narrow canal, one third of Constantinople/Istanbul lies in Asia, while two thirds lies in Europe. This might be seen as being symbolic of the power of the Roman-Islamic beast as a whole, seeing as it spans both Rome’s and Alexander the Great’s old empires.
We will come back to Turkey later in this study, but for now let us take a look at the legends surrounding the formation of Islam as a world religion.
As mentioned, the Jesuit Order now serves as the ‘black ops’ arm of the Catholic Church. It was founded in 1534, but is aware of ‘black ops’ that were carried out before its formation. The former Jesuit priest Alberto Rivera claimed that he was once told that the Catholic Church had been instrumental in founding Islam. The reason the Catholics wanted to found Islam is that both Phariseeism (Orthodox Judaism) and several truer, more Hebraic forms of the Good News (such as Nazarene Israel) were spreading in North Africa, as well as in Arab lands. Since these areas were outside of Roman military control it was deemed necessary to find some other means of putting a stop to them.
Mohammed’s first wife was named Khadija. She was reportedly a faithful and devout Catholic, and according to some reports, the Catholic Church told her to marry Mohammed, as part of their plan. Not only was Khadija to give the Catholic Church information, but it would also give the Catholics a means of influencing him. According to these sources, Khadija had a cousin named Waraquah, who was also Catholic. Waraquah helped Mohammed to interpret and write down his visions, and she encouraged him in the formation of this new faith. Once transcribed these visions became the Quran (Koran).
Whether these legends are recorded correctly or not, the prophecies in Daniel do seem to indicate a ‘special relationship’ between Catholicism and Islam, which is also borne out by current events. We will continue to explore this as this study continues.